[{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org\/","@type":"BlogPosting","@id":"https:\/\/warnetthallen.com\/june-13-2017-dave-sheldon-manjot-hallen\/#BlogPosting","mainEntityOfPage":"https:\/\/warnetthallen.com\/june-13-2017-dave-sheldon-manjot-hallen\/","headline":"June 13, 2017: Dave Sheldon with Manjot Hallen","name":"June 13, 2017: Dave Sheldon with Manjot Hallen","description":"https:\/\/warnetthallen.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/04\/Dave-Sheldon-with-Manjot-Hallen-1.mp3 Listen to the interview above or read the full transcript below. Announcer: \u2026 with Dave Sheldon. Dave Sheldon: Manjot Hallen, my guest from Warnett Hallen LLP. Also, he\u2019s part of the Liberal Party of Canada. He\u2019s the president here of the BC Chapter Liberal Party of Canada. 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Also, he\u2019s part of the Liberal Party of Canada. He\u2019s the president here of the BC Chapter Liberal Party of Canada. Manjot, I said before the break, from a constitutional or from a legal perspective, and this is why we (\u2026) you in here, not that you are \u2026 Now, your expertise is not constitutional law, is it?Manjot Hallen:No, it\u2019s not. It\u2019s personal injury law.Dave Sheldon:It\u2019s personal injury law, exactly. Just so we\u2019re clear on this, this is not legal advice that we\u2019re giving you and, again, consult your local constitutional lawyer for this, but from your standpoint, is the Lieutenant Governor compelled to give Mr. Horgan to give her a chance because they have the 44-seat majority that is required? But like you said, with the slimmest of majorities like that, if one thing goes sideways, this whole thing goes into a handbasket. We\u2019re doing it all over again. Do they let them do that, and then say, \u201cGo back to the people and get me a firm mandate?\u201d Can she do that as well?Manjot Hallen:You know what, Dave, you\u2019re going to need a lot of different constitutional pinnings on a point like this, but practically speaking, I don\u2019t think we\u2019re going back to the polls at any time real soon. I think what\u2019ll happen is Christy will be given an opportunity to present her throne speech when that feels and we expect it will and it\u2019ll be a vote of non-confidence. Then the Lieutenant Governor will go to John Horgan and ask him to form a government. I suspect that that\u2019s the process that\u2019s going to be followed here. Can the Lieutenant Governor agree to an election? Yes, but I think under these circumstances with that agreement that the Green that the NDP have that that\u2019s very unlikely.Dave Sheldon:It\u2019s stunning that we look at this as the slimmest of majorities. Normally, you have five or six seats to play with. In this particular case, you now have to worry about a speaker of the house. How does that work? How does that get taken care of? There\u2019s all kind of machinations that have to happen here, so this is not quite done by any stretch, is it?Manjot Hallen:That\u2019s right, it\u2019s not. Because the other thing is the speaker by convention typically has to vote with governing party, so what is that going to look like?Dave Sheldon:Exactly.Manjot Hallen:(\u2026) the speaker-elect, and then, Christy gets a shot at presenting a throne speech, how is that going to play out?Dave Sheldon:It\u2019s going to be real interesting how that shakes down. Also, when I looked at what the Green Party NDP, there were a number of plans that they are diametrically opposed on where they have said that \u201cWe\u2019ll bury some of our differences at this point and come to a consensus, or we could bitch and moan about the things that you\u2019re going to talk about, but we\u2019re not going to vote against them.\u201dManjot Hallen:That\u2019s right.Dave Sheldon:I find that to be incredibly compromising as far as your party is concerned when it comes to trying to make policy.Manjot Hallen:Absolutely. You know, the one thing that struck me is the tolls. We spoke about this the last time I was on your show \u2026Dave Sheldon:Yeah.Manjot Hallen:\u2026 the tools, the amount of attraction they\u2019ve had in this election. First off, I believe it led to a lot of the NDP seats (\u2026) from the freezer.Dave Sheldon:I agree.Manjot Hallen:Now, it\u2019s become part of the agreement between the BC NDP and the Greens and it\u2019s actually an area that they don\u2019t agree on, so the Green had to sort of essentially roll over on this point and say, \u201cWell, we\u2019re okay with removing the tolls on the bridges.\u201d But it just amazes me that that issue it permeates throughout the entire process, as in, now that issue itself can have a major impact on who\u2019s going to form government.Dave Sheldon:Well, and now, you have a look at it from a standpoint as well of other aspects when \u2026 and I\u2019ve said this since the whole conversation began about a coalition. What\u2019s the one item that you die on? If you\u2019re the Green Party, you\u2019ve decided to agree on this supply and confidence agreement, so they\u2019re going to make sure the budget is taken take of and any kind of confidence vote they won\u2019t vote against. That\u2019s their deal. But if they have something that they are fundamentally opposed to in the next four years, like you said, Manjot, do they have to swallow it? What does that do for their political currency for people that voted Green because they don\u2019t want to vote NDP, and now, are siding with the NDP on platforms that they were diametrically opposed to?I don\u2019t see how this made any sense. I thought they were going to go issue-to-issue because I thought that that was a better way for them to cherry-pick what they want to get involved with, but still maintain their integrity and their plan.Manjot Hallen:Yeah, and the issue when I looked through their agreement and I\u2019ve read it, I read the agreement last night. When I looked through their agreement, the issue that I see is the most difficult for them to achieve is having this referendum by the end of 2018 \u2026Dave Sheldon:Yeah.Manjot Hallen:\u2026 and proportion representation. I mean that\u2019s going to be just, ah, just the logistics that go into that, so I can see the Green Party not being happy if that doesn\u2019t come to fruition. It\u2019s possible that it won\u2019t by the end of 2018 and that could be what kill me better (\u2026).Dave Sheldon:Well, and ask yourself the question, what is the priority? Is the priority affordability or is it proportional representation? It\u2019s something that we deal with once every four years. That, to me, is the biggest single problem. Let me get this right, so one of your big stumbling blocks moving forward will be exactly how we mete out the votes and who gets what seat four years from now, when I need to deal with the (\u2026) affordability, transportation, health care, infrastructure? I mean all kinds of different things that are coming up here and you\u2019re going to talk to me about proportional representation? The priority is totally misaligned at this point.Manjot Hallen:Yeah, that would be completely misaligned. The priority should be affordability. They should be dealing with affordability when it comes to housing. They should be dealing with transportation. They should be dealing with issues that matter to British Columbia, and so, not how we\u2019re going to sort up the next election. But based on what I\u2019ve heard Dr. Weaver say in the past, it appears that that is a big priority to him and that is one. When I look at the agreement, it looks like that is a point that they may not be able to follow through on.Dave Sheldon:No, they won\u2019t be. Manjot Hallen, my guest here. We\u2019re having a conversation about a number of different things involving the BC provincial election, federal politics as well. I look at Site C and they\u2019re going to put that through review now, if I\u2019m correct on that, Manjot, and I find it intriguing about that as well because it was such a hot button issue for the Green Party to stick it in in Site C. Again, what happens now if they get to Site C and they do review on it and they find that there\u2019s a shred of economic viability in Site C, are we going to take economic politics over environment politics with the Green Party? Again, I find it\u2019s intriguing to me that we\u2019re having a conversation about the policies of party that achieved just 16% of the mandate in the province of British Columbia.Manjot Hallen:I agree. It\u2019s amazing. It\u2019s amazing and there\u2019s so many points here whether this agreement could stay up. Like you said earlier, it\u2019s going to be interesting to see what happens. I think the first step is to see what\u2019s going to happen with respect to the throne speech and the election of a speaker. I think a lot of people are overlooking that. That\u2019s going to really make a big difference in how this all plays out in the coming weeks.Dave Sheldon:Okay. Before I let you go, I\u2019m going to put you on the spot a little bit. I\u2019m going to say to you, okay, if you had to go into your crystal ball and figure out what you\u2019re going to see in the next month or so, what do you think will happen? Do you think it\u2019ll play out that way that it\u2019s going to be like right now where Christy goes in, throne speech, gets defeated, they bring in Horgan and we run (\u2026) government? Is that what do you think could happen?Manjot Hallen:Yeah. I think that\u2019s exactly what\u2019s going to happen. Christy is going to have a opportunity, throne speech is not going to pass. Lieutenant Governor is going to ask Horgan to form government. They\u2019re going to have a tenuous coalition. It\u2019ll survive six months to a year and we\u2019ll be back to the polls after that.Dave Sheldon:So six months to a year from now, we\u2019re going to be doing this all over again, despite the fact these two jokers said that they\u2019re going to go four years. I guess we\u2019ll \u2026Manjot Hallen:Yeah. That\u2019s my prediction.Dave Sheldon:I don\u2019t think you\u2019re wrong. I\u2019ve had a number of people say that, including people who voted NDP on this program saying that they don\u2019t believe it will last any more than a year. Manjot, really appreciate your time this morning. Thanks so much for taking part in the conversation. We\u2019ll have you on again soon.Manjot Hallen:Great. Thanks, Dave. Thank you.Dave Sheldon:All the best. You bet. Manjot Hallen from Warnett Hallen LLP. Also, he is the Liberal President for the \u2026 the President of the Liberal Party of Canada, BC (\u2026). All right. 8:26 here on the program and I\u2019ll tell you right now \u2026 In fact, I\u2019m ending this right now, Chris."},{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org\/","@type":"BreadcrumbList","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"June 13, 2017: Dave Sheldon with Manjot Hallen","item":"https:\/\/warnetthallen.com\/june-13-2017-dave-sheldon-manjot-hallen\/#breadcrumbitem"}]}]